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Dear friends!
Happy New Year, health, success and peace to all of you
your families and friends!
M.L.Shifman ask to convey in BB the next message:
"Shifman pozdravlyaet Russian i zarubezhnoe Bratstvo
vypusknikov "tridzatki" i ychitelej, dostoino 
prodolzhaushih sohranyat' nashi tradizii v raznyh
ygolkah planety! Zdorovja i radosti vsem!
                             Vash Shifman" 
Best regards,
            B.Medved from Haifa

I just asked my son about the poem, and he tells me it's the Animal Song
from the Animal Farm by Orwell. 
They read the book in Language Arts in 7th grade.
He tells me to say hello to everybody.
Have a Happy New Year!

- Eugenia Bomash (Landman) 1976(1)

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I was so happy that I screwed up my own daughters birth date.
No, she was not born in January that would be old news.
She was born DECEMBER 20, 1996. 
Sorry.

Dmitri

I just wanted to let everyone know about something wonderful that happened last week. My very first child was born here in Dallas, Texas on January 20th, at 9:37 pm Central Standard Time. Her name is Natalie, she weighs 8 pounds 3 ounces (3.7 kg) and is 1


9.5 inches long. Her mom is Deanna Bentley, the most beautiful woman in the world after my daughter!

Hi!

Proshu prosh'enija, no mojego English uzhe not enought.
Aron Ruvimovich uzhe doma. Vstaet, no ne hodit. Byl insul't, i neizvestno,
kak delo obernetsja. Emu mozhno zvonit', posylat' pis'ma (esli na moj adres, to 
peredam).

Vot tak.                           Olga

Hi everybody,

I've just received an e-mail message from V.L.Il'in. He's all right;
asked me to "propagate" their e-mail address which is now available.
So, please use it:

teachers@scl30.spb.su


Regards,
 Sasha.

I decided to post this message although it is not related to our
school directly.
I work at the investment bank Goldman Sachs in New York, in the
Asset Management division. Our group, the Quantitative Equity
Portfolio Management, is looking for a programmer to support
our applications. 
The hired person will be part of the Information Technology 
department but will work closely with portfolio managers and other
members of our group. 
We are looking for someone who has 2-4 years of experience in the
US (US work authorization is a must). The person has to know Unix
(at the application programming level), Sybase/SQL, Perl and/or C.
Some background in finance and SAS can be a plus, but is not
required.
If you are interested, please, email me at ioffel@gs.com.

Shalom, dear friends!

Happy Hanukkah to all of you who celebrates it!
Best wishes to your families and
                                 especially to your kids.
Hag Hanukkah sameach!

Yours,
Eli 

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                     = HAPPY  HANUKKAH !!! =
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Dear Andrey Bovykin:

Could you, please, inform who is the author of
the poem. 

To everybody:
Do we use the bulletin board for interesting news,
information on www sites, poems, etc?
Or it is better to restrict these subjects
to 30-list?

Yuli

Beasts of England, beasts of Ireland,
Beasts of every land and clime,
Hearken to my joyful tidings
Of the golden future time.

Soon or late the day is coming,
Tyrant Man shall be o'erthrown,
And the fruitful fields of England
Shall be trod by beasts alone.

Rings shall vanish from our noses,
And the harness from our back,
Bit and spur shall rust forever,
Cruel whips no more shall crack.

Bright will shine the fields of England,
Purer shall its waters be,
Sweeter yet shall blow its breezes
On the day that sets us free.

For that day we all must labour,
Though we die before it break;
Cows and horses, geese and turkeys,
All must toil fot freedom's sake.

Beasts of England, beasts of Ireland,
Beasts of every land and clime,
Hearken well and spread my tidings
Of the golden future time.

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I just translated my teachers page into english.
You can visit it and send me your comments.
URL: http://www.peterlink.ru/~bz/teachers.html

Yours truly,
Boris Zaslavsky

Hi!
Does anybody know where has Sasha Davidovich dissapeared?
And, BTW, Boris Zaslavsky - have you gotten my msg from here?
Thanks.
Luda

Hi Guys!

Does anybody knows how's going Aaron Ruvimovich?

Thanks
Const *

         Hi!
   You are welcome to take a look at some kind of nostalgic view at 
http://sunset.huji.ac.il/~dima/benjamin/30-ka.
                                                   Yours,
                                                         Benjamin

Dear friends! M.L. Shifman got one-time access to E-mail and
asked to convey to all of you the next message:
   "Shifman ochen' blagodaren i tronut teplymi pozdravlenijami
i pozhelanijami. I schastliv, chto menija pomnijat vypuskniki,
nachinaja 1963 goda. Zhelaju vsem zdorovja, blagopoluchija
rodnim i blizkim. Pomnite i pomogaite drug drugu:
      "Ty pomni gde teja uchili,
       chto zdes' poznal, k chemu privyk.
       Vsegda rabotai v nashem stile,
       30-oi shkoly vipusknik!"
                 Pomnyu i lublu.
                  Vash Shifman"
Best regards,
            yours,  B.S.Medved from Haifa

Hey people!  Where are you?  Are you still alive?
Havn't heard from you for several weeks.
Isn't this sad?
How about the meeting?

Marina

Subject: To N. Shustrova

Dear Natasha,

If you want me to reply, please send me your proper email
address. I cannot do anything with "idonthaveone@.com"
(that is the return address in your message).

Yura.

Hi everyone,

I would like to thank Michael Levin once again -- he have just
completed and tested the program which resides on my server here
in Maryland and sorts the incoming mail, posting to the bulletin
board those messages coming from the mailing list. So now the process
is fully automated (before I had to put the messages manually, which 
caused delays etc.), and the bulletin board and mailing list will from 
now on be completely synchronized (as long as computers are up).

Boris Kozintsev.


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Hi, folks!

I talked with several people who don't have an access to the Internet.
They would like to come to NY, but they concern about a date.  These
people should drive from Cleveland, Detroit, and other distant
cities.  The forecast for the coming winter is the same as for previous
one: snow.  It is enough trouble to drive 9 and more hours, but to do it
during the winter is almost impossible.  Also I  agree with Marina Obraztsova
that teachers and folks from Russia need more time to prepare for a visit.
I suggest to set a date in April.  (Teachers have a Sping break.)
It is also nice to have some activities outside, and April is a perfect
season for that.  Galina.
P.S. I tried to send this message to the mailing list twice and got a message "User unknown".

I would like to introduce a slight correction to the previous message.
Visas are issued on the reciprocal basis by the US and Russian consular
officials. Therefore, there are three types of visas. A one-year--visa 
costs indeed 150$ (but this visa is not one-time visa). 
A three-year--visa cost is 450$, but, most importantly,
a single-visit--visa costs 40$. The latter one is precisely the visa 
that is neccesary for visiting the US once.

At the Consulate, for the B-type (tourist) visa one has just to prove 
one's coming back to Russia (family, property), and then visas are issued 
without any problems. Opposing illegal immigration is the only criterium
used by the US Consular officials.

It is neccesary to perform letters of invitation for our teachers and 
schoolmates extremely thoughtfully.

Regards.
Yuli

 

Hi Everybody,

I spent somr time reading this board before decided to write. As I am staying  in SPB 
I have an idea what is to go to the US from here.
First of all one needs a passport. If he has it then it is a good time to apply for US visa. There are two sorts of US
visitor's visas: one-visit visa for $150 and three-year visa with unlimited visits for $450.Plus $20 for
application (which is not returned if they refuse to give a visa). And applying for visa to US Consulate is a sort of
lottery - many people tryed to count out the criteria they in Consulate use for it and nobody succed. But in
any case it takes about a week to solve (positive or negative) a visa problem.
And there is usually no problem with airplane tickets.

I hope this information could be useful for you when considering the invitation of
anybody from SPb to your meeting.

I wish you good luck with this meeting and feel strongly jealous that I am not able to join

Oleg Kleima

Hey, that's me again.

Just wondering - why January?
Actually, it's OK with me - I spent four years living in
NY City, and I still have a part of my family up there, so
I never mind to visit them extra time.  But I don't think
we give a slight opportunity to anybody from Russia
(including teachers) to get prepared for the meeting.
They cannot just buy tickets and jump into the plane like
piece of cake.  It takes to get an invitation from the USA
resident, get visa, get appropriate passport, and God only
knows what else it takes.  At least we have to have a list
of those who would be ready to move through all this stuff.

Anyway, no matter what's the result of this discussion - I'm
joining the majority (old good habbit from the sovietic past).

Well, see you sooner or later.
Marina

    Hi
     
     Actually it would be nice, if could just simply give FIDOnet 
     address to us or write it at your homepage. The thing is,
     it's enough to know for me that address to send emails myself.
     As you know there are gates for free between INTERNET<->FIDOnet
     
     I guess the gates address from FIDOnet sight in St.Petersburg 
     is 2:5030/128.0 and from INTERNET sight you have to write 
     something like: SysopFistName_SysopLastName@z2.r5030.f?????.p?????
     it means:
     z2 - Zone 2
     r5030 - region 5030 (St.Petersburg)
     f???? - node  ????
     p???? - point ????
     
     Best wishes
     Const *      <1989, 5>

Hi, all!


>    30 -ka Email address:  
>                 ene@isida.ipa.rssi.ru         
>    Note: this address is posted in Boris Zaslavsky's
>    homepage, but with an error.
I just checked it and changed. This address was given me by one of 30tka
teachers. I tried multi to send mail to this address but seems it doesn't
work at all.

In any case there is FIDOnet point address at 30tka and from time to time i
write and receive letters from 30tka via FIDOnet. 

So, if somebody wants to send e-mail to 30tka, you can try to send it via
me.

Boris Zaslavsky
e-mail: bz@peterlink.ru; URL: http://www.peterlink.ru/~bz

Hi, folks!

1. I was suprised to see in Marina's post 
   Mich. L'vovich's  complains that he doesn't have the 
   access to Email.
   The matter is that this summer I paid for 30-ka permanent
   connection to Internet. It's done through Institute of 
   Applied Astronomy by Academy of Science, they have their 
   own server. Connection will be free for 30-ka forever - 
   at least, so was promised.
   30 -ka Email address:  
                ene@isida.ipa.rssi.ru         
   Note: this address is posted in Boris Zaslavsky's
   homepage, but with an error.

   In 30-ka person in charge is the programming teacher
   Evgeny .
   Actually I sent just one message to school (2-d one was
   today), it went through but I never had a response.
   I hope that some of us in SPB can take care of this - 
   all teachers should know they have the Email. 
   
   2. To Victor Dvortsov, about meetng in NYC.
    I've talked to a few people about preposed meeting in the 
    beginning of January. I already know 3(!) who want to 
    participate but won't be around in US till last week         
    of Jan.  Question (from them): can we stick to, say,
    last weekend in January? It might be less convenient 
    for teachers because of vocation time... 
    Everybody seems to be agree with $100 ticket price.
     

Hi volks!
This is just to share with you that last Sunday I 
talked to M.L.Shifman on phone.  He told me that
he's got all our messages  and  asked me to say
Big Thanks to all of you.  He's sorry he doesn't
have access to Internet right now but hopely it's 
the nearest future.

See you later.
Marina

As I have promised to do in my last posting, I would like 
to confirm that the hearing aid has been delivered to SPb.
All those interested know what it's all about.

I'm glad to see that the idea of reunion is close to 
the hearts of many. Thanx to all of you who wrote to
me or supported/opposed it on the bulletin board. NY
seems perfect place to me as I live on Long Island; 
it is also leading in the polls, beating SPb and 
Boston. In fact, nobody said there  can be no more 
then one school reunion per century; those of us who 
happen to live at this side of the Atlantic can meet 
in NY, whether there'll be a celebration in SPb (that 
I, for many reasons, have so much desire but so little 
chance to attend) or not.
 
As for the timing; how about the beginning of the next
year, say, second week of January? As soon as we agree
on the place (NY?) and time, let's start phone-calling
campaign; hard to believe, but there is still many folks 
without email access, even sredi `programmistov-v%chislitelei
3-go razrjada'. Then, hopefully, we'll be able to estimate
how many people will attend, hence how large a facility
do we need for the occasion, and whether we can afford to
invite teachers or not (I'm almost sure we'll be able to 
do that if we accept Len's $100 ticket price; let me know 
what you think about it).

Please post your comments/suggestions on the board, along 
with the estimate of the number of your email'less friends
who you think would like to attend.

	- Victor

Hi everybody!
My first thought - if it has to happen in the USA - no place is
better than NY City since it's somehow in the middle (volks from
let's say Boston will have to drive 4 hrs south, for me it's 4 hrs
north). Still I'm not sure people from Russia gonna make it at all.

Anyway, it's a good idea (from Galina Palace) to split ourself by
graduate year. She is also half-right with 'teachers' issue since
it's certainly impossible to invite all of them, but I believe that
such great guys like for example Shifman who spent with the school
actually the whole life - worth to be with us for the event.

Good luck to all of you.
Marina

 Hi
     
     It's a great idee to 
         meet in Boston, 
     I like it, 
     NYC is also not that bad, 
         let's find somebody 
             who can give life to these idees, or,
             put it enother way, who knows what to do.
     
     Const *  (89, 5);

gymnasi|um, pl. -siums or -si|a

[L < Gr gymnasion, place for excercising < gymnazein, to train naked 
< gymnos, naked, stripped < IE base *nogw- > naked, L nudus]

1 a room or bulding equipped for physical training and athletic
  games and sports

2 in Germany and some other European countries, a secondary school
  for students preparing to enter a university

Webster's New World Dictionary of American English,
Third College Edition

Hi, "american" folks!

I assume we have 2 opposite ideas about our meeting now. 
1. get together in NYC 
2. go to SP and meet where

Let's be realistic - all of us who live (and work) in US have a very slim chance
 to manage a brief vocation (say, one week)at the same time to fly to SP.
 Yes, we'll try to be there for 100 anniverary next year - but even this
 great occasion will gother (you'll see!) next to none of us, "americans".
On the contrary, the idea to meet in NYC seems to me quite real.
Everyone can spend one weekend there or, maybe, in Boston. We defenitely 
have important matters to talk over, we also will take some pleasure out of 
good chat, good food, familiar faces etc., won't we?     
My suggestion is: let's ask Viktor Dvortsov ( the autor of the idea , correct me if I'm wrong) 
to do what he suggested: set the account, set the date and collect the "reservations" along with required  
fee ($ 100 or $ 200 ?). 
My best wishes to all of you.
Len

my email: fromzel@netaxis.com

In addition to the previous remark by Eugene Kogan about the first 
graduation of the class with the extensive learning of Physics and 
Mathematics in 1967, I would like to cite a message from the earliest
graduate in our list, Michael Abkin ( I hope he does not object )

"In the late 50's Nikita Kruschev's administration as usual borrowing 
ideas from the West started just another school reform: it went from 
10-year to 11-year schooling. As part of this concept a regular 10-year 
school was split into 2 stages: 8-year primary (from 1rst to 8th grade) 
and 3-year high school (9-11th grades) with only a primary being a 
mandatory education. On top of this, these high schools practiced 
'special' education - so along with a high school diploma a graduate 
would acquire a 'specialty' whether it was a 'tokar pervogo rasryada' 
or electrician, etc.

High school #30 was the first school in Leningrad to specialize in 
training of computer programmers (a proximity to Math-Mech was perhaps 
a major factor). Right after that a couple of other schools followed, 
notably #239... .1963 was the first graduation year of this special
'programmist-vychislitel tretyego rasryada' group of people. Most of 
#30 school graduates were not computer programmers but other 
'specialists'. Out of approximately 300 or so graduates there were just
 about 15 of [computer programmers]."

Now about the Centennial. Of course, the date is nice. 
But, fellows, you know, our school is not in that building
already for 20 years. There were no 80th annversary and no 90th
anniversary. I was told by that there were no anniversaries during 
the time when the school was in the old building. Of course, the school 
may decide to count starting from 1897 at any time. To tell you my 
opinion, I find it really amusing that every educational institution 
in Russia wants to originate from Slavic-Greek-Latin Academy.

I think the decisive word on the recognition of the Centennial 
should be heard from old 30th school building graduates. 

Regards.
Yuli

Hi friends, 
    I want to make a kind of report on last
    Saturday's visit to school. There was no official celebration. We
    visited him privately. M.L.Shifman was very pleased by e-mails. There
    were near 20 letters. Thanks to all authors. He said he will read one
    letter per day. He said he used not to take care about the age. When
    he took a new class (9), they were 15 years old. He taught, they
    graduated, he took new class, they were 15 years old, etc. He said he
    is happy to be a teacher in 30 school. He is proud of the 30 school
    "spirit". Really, sometimes a graduate of 30 school can be recognized
    for his speech style... Next autumn 30 school will celebrate 100-year
    anniversary. The school administration is going to issue a book of
    memoirs. (Naturally it is the age of the building right across
    "Vasiliostrovskaya" metro station. As M.L. said, the first class with
    extensive learning of physics and mathematics was in 1967.) I think it
    is a beautiful idea. Lets write memoirs, folks! 
    
    Best wishes, Eugene Kogan (1981, 1) 

Dear Len,

Thank you very much for your posting. I am glad this issue was clarified. 
From one response to my question, I realized that the tone of my message 
could be interpreted as an expression of mistrust. I'd like to assure you 
that I did not have such intentions.

Sergey

Hi, friends.

I would like to start a discussion on this mailing list with a rhetorical
question: 30ka alumni support fund: is it a good idea?

On the bulletin board there were a few posts lately, all of them in favor of
that idea. However, it's not so obvious. There are some questions that whoever
wants to create that fund should answer:

1. Why fund? Does 30ka need any money?
2. What official status the fund would have (if any)?
3. Would it function through the school's administration; if not, then how?
4. Teacher's bonuses: how to distribute them? If unequally, wouldn't it create
an unhealthy atmosphere of competing with and envying each other?
5. Buying computers/equipment: is it needed? Maybe it's not the money that's
needed but administrative effort to buy these things. Certainly, the fund would
not help in that.
...

I understand that we are far away from realization of this idea. But, I still
think that it's worth  while to discuss it. 

If you want to send a reply to the mailing list, make sure the message is
addressed to milevin_30ka@indiana.edu.

Regards,

ML


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As Michael Levin (1989,5) noted, it takes time to watch
this site daily. There is a better way: to subscribe for 
the "URL-minder robot", who would check the site and 
notify you by e-mail if it was changed.

Of course, there is nothing special with the 30-tka list.
I am using the URL-minder for other sites of interest too. 
This works fine with any WWW site except very volatiles ones.
(The robot simply caluculates a new checksum and compares 
with an old one). 

Fore more complete information see 

http://www.netmind.com/URL-minder/new/

         ====>  Disclaimer <===

I am not in any respect related with the robot except 
using it and like it. It is not an advertizing, just a 
suggestion to 30-tka alumni.

Privet!
     Yura.

A couple of days ago Sergey Liberman posted a question about 
the results of the "campaign" to send a hearing aid to
A.R.Maiselis. I think I can describe the current status of
the process.
The first hearing aid was purchased. There were many problems
including the fact that someone who was asked to deliver the 
unit to Russia simply lost it. At the end Oleg Alshansky, who 
managed the "campaign", bought a similar unit on his own money
and Aron Ruvimovich received it last September. According to
Galine Semenovna Klimovitskaya, the hearing aid helped him.
This year there has been a second "campaign". The second 
hearing aid was purchased. This time involved were mostly, but not
only, 1979-81 graduates.  
We again had many strange problems, like the fact the unit was 
brought to Russia and back. Finally it was supposed to be back 
in SpB a week ago. As soon as I get a confirmation that it has 
been actually delivered to Aron Ruvimovich I will post it.

Dear fellow tridcatniks,

I am glad to announce that thanks to Michael Levin (1989,5),
we now have a mailing list. Please check 
http://www.math.umd.edu/~bak/30/maillist.html
for more information.

Boris.

Hi guys!
It was terrific to hear from you again, and probably I'll be able
to see you next spring since I'm planning to visit S.-Petersburg
about this time.

As for now I'd like to say Mazeltove! (forgive me the spelling)-
you still exist, my school, which I loved so much and still do.

My best regards to my dearest teacher Michael Shiffman - wish you
all possible luck for your birthday and forever.

Marina (Reston, Virginia USA)

P.S. Ella Kogelman (same class) is joining me from Chicago.

Hi there!

I have a question/request for former students of A.R.Maizelis. 
A couple years ago, there was a funraising campain here in 
the USA for a hearing aide for Aron Ruvimovich.  Judging by 
the response here in Boston, enough was raised to buy a 
limited edition hearing aide with alloy wheels and all. We never 
heared from the fundraisers, so I am wondering if Aron has 
received this device at all.

Please let me know if you know the results of that campain. 

Thanks in advance!

Sergey "Cepera" Liberman

Hi, everybody!

I believe, acceptable meeting place for 30tka Graduates should 
be St-Pb, not NYC, or smth else:
1) After all, the most of Graduates stay in Russia, especially
in St-Pb
2) The same as above regarding teachers
3) Frankly speaking, an St-Pb resided Graduate would 
encounter 10 times more problems while going for the 
meeting to NYC, than vice versa. (Air tickets, visas, etc, etc)
4) The same as above regarding teachers, replacing "10 times" 
with "30 times"
5) Try to imagine a meeting of, let's say, one of NYC schools 
Graduates, let's say, in Sydney, Tokio, Paris, London, or even
Chikago. Can you imagine?
6) Don't you want to visit Alma Mater, and native town at least 
once a century?

As to myself, I could visit NYC as well as St-Pb, since I stay 
in "Other countries". But also think about the majority 
of Graduates staying in St-Pb.

Furthermore, the American 30tka Community can undertake its own 
"local" meeting somewhere in the USA any time they wish. (Maybe,
they already did it?)

Regards
Sergei Kenunen (1972, 2)

Dear Fellow Graduates:

A Centennial is a great anniversary! 
Please, can someone post the origin of this date:
what educational institution was created 99 years ago?

I have another question about more recent history of our school:
when was the first commencement of the class with the extensive
learning of physics or mathematics?

Many thanks in advance for the responce.
Best regards.
Yuli

  
I'd like to make some additional comments on the idea of fund.

	I personally support the idea in general although there are 
many technical detailes that are unclear. 

	We have at least 2 alternative plans that has been discussed
on BB: 

1. to create a fund in some russian bank in SPB or

2. to create "virtual" fund via e-mail and use somebody here in US
as a treasury secretary to distribute the money. Both plans has
pluses and minuses. 

	It's more practical to have fund located in SPB, but it's unsafe
to use any russian bank for this.
	
	It's very convinient and safe to do it here in US but then how and 
by whom this money will be delivered to recepients? And who will decide 
on how to use this money?

	As we know , the major source of financial support usually is NOT an 
individual contributions but donations from organizations. If we will be 
able to get some, then , we will need to have a legal "face" to distribute 
the money, as well as to deal with school administration and some other 
burocracy (30-dka is a state school) 

	Most of these questions could be solved if we could  
organize our  activity, i.e we need to establish an alumni association
with elected council.:-( 

	And we will need to find a graduate (or better - several) in 
Piter  who will represent our association in Russia. I think this is 
possible.

	So, the major question that I would like to ask everyone -
shell we organize ourselves in alumni association? With the membership
fee - let say a $100/year?  It would be a good start for the fund!

Finally, about proposed meeting: I think that the best idea is to meet 
in SPB  next summer to selebrate a 100 years of the school. Hopefully - 
using the money of our own association! 

Regards, Yuri

I have two proposals concerning the 30ka support fund:

1. By public consensus, we should designate several specific 
categories toward which we want to contribute money.  Misha 
Ginzburg suggested several of them in the previous message. 
I repeat some of them:

    1)  one time bonus to existing teachers
    2)  grant toward hiring a talented teacher
    3)  computers/internet for teachers/students
    4)  travel grants (for whatever reasons)

2. Once we agree on these categories, we can start e-mailing 
pledges (who wants to contribute how much money toward what 
category). We should designate someone (for treasurer) to recieve 
and count these pledges and post the summary results in the end. 
Then, depending on the results, we can decide how exactly to 
spend the money and start sending checks to the treasurer.

Another point. To me it's awkward to discuss this on a web page. 
Maybe it would make sense to create a 30ka mailing list?

Misha Levin

19.10.96 In 30-ka holyday of 99-year of school !!!

Zdraste vsem !

  Prostite, pishu po-russki - tak estestvennee... 
  Pomogat' shkole deystvitel'no neobhodimo. No tut mnogo problem, no ne
sovsem teh, o kotorih govorit Dima Vassilevich (2-1978). Kak chelovek
sravnitel'no nedavno vypustivshiysya (2-1994), mogu skazat', chto vse,
chto pishet Alexander Davidovich (1980, 3) absolyutnaya pravda. NO, shkola
ne stala dlya "novyh russkih" (vo vsyakom sluchae starshie klassi -
nachal'naya shkola ochen' mojet byt') - ya sovsem ne bil novym russkim
(ni novym, ni russkim...) i moi odnoklasniki toje... 
Ne jelaya nikogo obidet' lichno, skaju, chto v shkole otvratitel'noe
nachal'stvo, razlagaushchee tot stariy duh i sozdavshee "problemu
chetvertogo etaja" ("The "old" 30-ka and its "old" teachers occupy just
the 4th floor.") - na moy vzglyad, naibolee ostruyu. Vprochem, oni udachno
predstavlyaut shkolu v beskonechnyh zagranichnyh turne...
Material'noe polojenie shkoly plachevno, uchiteley toje...
  Perehoju k konkretnym predlojeniyam. Esli pomogat' shkole, to delat' eto
ne cherez direkciyu a na pryamuyu, naprimer, kupit' kompyutery,
oborudovat' kakie-nibud' kabinety, kupit' party..., fond uchiteley, fond
olimpiadniy (v plane olimpiad shkola sovsem sdala pozicii)... V obshchem,
ne davat' den'gi prosto, neponyatno na chto (i neponyatno komu). No, dlya
etogo vsego tam nujen "svoy" energichniy chelovek, sposbniy proshibit'
golovoy stenu v kabinet direktora...
  Koroche, sdelat' mojno mnogoe. No delat' nado bystree, poka eshche
chto-to ostalos'... Nadeyus', chto razgovorami my ne ogranichimsya.
  V zaklyuchenie hotelos' by donesti odnu prostuyu filosofskuyu mysl' -
stariy duh, za kotoriy vi/my vse tak ratuem - eto horosho, no on ne mojet
ostavat'sya takim, kak byl, na protyajenii desyatiletiy - on, kak i vse,
funkciya ot vremeni. Tak chto ne rvite na sebe volosy slishkom userdno po
etomu povodu. Duh my vryadli smojem vosstanovit'...
  S nailuchshimi pojelaniyami,
                                 Misha Ginzburg
My Home Page

Dear Friends,

Concerning the 30-ka alumni meeting: I dare to introduce a very 
strange idea- what about to meet not in New York  but in 30-ka in 
St-Petersburg? I understand, that this  sounds crazy for most of our 
recent US residents, but in my opinion that is very natural point for 
us to meet. By the way, I am sure, that most of our friends still 
reside in Russia (even though according our Net statistic nearly half 
of population is in States).  This will also automatically solves the 
problem invite-don't invite teachers, again, I am sure just minority 
of them  are abroad.  Also our rather big Israely community ( Your 
friend from there) and people from 'Others' probably could participate 
in this event in such a case. In fact 100  anniversary is a great reason.
At the end: I don't know but suspect that Princenton alumni meet in 
'Alma Mater' , don't they?

                Regards,   

                        Nick Morozov 81-7      

Hello!
This is a nice idea to help our school, but we should be sure that
we are helping "old" 30-tka. Our old shool co-exists under the same
name with a kind of private school. This new school is
intended primary for "new russians". University profesors can not
afford it! As far as I know , the atmosphere is quite different
from that in the "old school", as well as teachers salaries.
We should assure somehow that donations will drop in proper hands.
Best regards, 
Dima

Hello everybody!

I'm back from St. Petersburg. I visited the school, had a long
conversation with V.L. Il'in and with some of our alumni. Here is the
summary I'd like to share with all of you.

1) The "old" 30-ka and its "old" teachers occupy just the 4th floor.
2) The 4th floor requires major repairs.
3) The teachers' team consists of the same giants (Maizelis, Kursish,
   Shifman, Il'in, etc) who still fight for the very idea of our
   school. However, they are getting older and older (e.g., Maizelis
   is 75 (!)), and, unfortunately, "zameny ne vidno". There is a couple
   of "young" teachers though.
4) The teachers' salaries are miserable.
5) Next year the school will celebrate its 100 anniversary.

I'd like to propose the idea of creation a special fund in St. Petersburg with
the purpose of supporting our school/teachers. The idea was already discussed
with a number of alumni and V.L. Il'in. The fund is going to be created in
the bank "Rekonstrukcii Razvitiya" under supervision of Evgeny Lotvinov
(1980, 6), who is the manager of Currency Department in the bank. I encourage
you all to send the feedback directly to my address in order not to pollute
the BB. I'll collect your responses (if any :-)) and then post the summary.

Best regards (gmar hatima tova),
Sasha.

Dear friends!
In October,20th,96 Michail Lvovich Shifman will celebrate
his 60th anniversary.
I think this is not a bad reason to congratulate him.
We arranged it so, that you may send all the congratulations
to Eugene I. Kogan from St. Petersburg (E-mail address:
eugene@kosta.spb.su).
Eugene (great thanks to him!) will convey firm copies of congrs
to M.L.Shifman privately at school.
Unfortunately, our generation doesn't know English as well
as you, so I ask you to write (if it's possible) in Russian
transliteration with English letters.
Please don't send congrs later than October,17th,96.
Please don't send long letters now.
Eugene write: writing in Russian is OK, please confirm 
encoding technology.
Best wishes,
yours, B.S.Medved  

I'd like to place the attached picture (Ada L'vovna Vaysburd + myself) 
to BB. The picture was made on Cape Cod about 3 weeks ago. Ada L'vovna 
tought English from mid-60's till, I guess, 1979, so she is 
well-known to generations of alumni. 

Misha

Hello,
it was unexpected pleasure to find out about this page from my friend and classmate 
I just visited St.Petersburg last month and , interestingly enough
the old school is still there, right across "Vasiliostrovskaya" (is not it strange?)

I'd like to thank Boris Kozintsev for the greate idea and it's realization.
Can I help?

My coordinates:

Johns Hopkins University 
School of Medicine
Ross 764
Baltimore MD 21205
Tel. 410-550-6987 

Regards
Yuri

Galina, 
  
let me disagree with you about inviting our teachers. 
There are teachers who have been working in the school for 
ages - Kursish, Shifman, Il'in (he came to school the year you 
graduated) are the ones who, I think, tought a majority of us. 
Also, Ada L'vovna Vaysburd, who lives in Boston (I just talked 
to her, she sent best regards to everyone) is well-known for 
several generations of 30ka's alumni. And I don't think that the 
price will be astronomical. Even a thousand dollars (a ticket + 
some pocket money) will be 20 to 50 apiece, which is a decent 
price for seeing your favorite teacher. Plus, we don't need to 
make this charge mandatory. I feel that if we do want to see 
our teachers, we can make a list, cast our votes, see how many 
people are ready to pay the price and then decide.

Regards, Michael Chepovetsky (76,3)

Dear Sergey and Victor (and other 38 graduates),

 From now on the title of this page is 30/38.

Enjoy!

Hi, organizers of this homepage !

As a former graduate of school 38, I'd like to support the 
request of Sergey Liberman (1976, A) (liber@us1.channel1.com). 
In fact,  30-homepage could only gain, if it support 38 school 
as well. Can you mention it in a homepage title? Really, school 
30, merged with 38, took from it students, some excellent 
teachers and traditions. I would be much thankfull, if you 
consider my proposal.

Victor (a.k.a. BuKToP)

Hi, folks!

I believe that 'reunion' is a great idea!  I talked with my former 
classmates who are not at the list, and they are willing to participate.
So, I think that we will have many more people for a reunion
then we have at the list (at least within the USA.)

But I disagree with the idea "to invite our teachers to the reunion." 
We had different teachers.  We cannot invite them for one day and send
back on the next day, and so on.  (I am not even talking about money here.)

Another problem.  We have people from 1965 to 1995 graduation years.
They belong to different generations.  Maybe it makes more sense to divide 
people by graduation years at least into three group: 1965-1975,
1975-1985, 1985-1995.  What do you think?  -Galina

Hi there,

This message is for people involved in AI (Artificial Intelligence)
field. Those of you who are interested in a new opening, please
send me a message along with your resume.
I'll get back to the interested parties on September 16th.

Best regards,
Sasha.

Folks,

WRT Victor's initiative - I'd suggest that everybody who's willing
to participate contact Victor directly, so he'll be able to collect
"votes" and eventually post the summary right here (I assume Victor
agrees to be in charge :-)).

Best regards,
 Sasha.

Victor's idea looks really good. It depends on how many people are ready to commit themselves to this. What can be the critical mass? 10? 20? Anyway, I fully support it.

Hello everyone. I've just discovered this page (which is
totally cool; thank you, Boris!), but I already have an 
idea. How about having a school reunion somewhere in the
NY metropolitan area? There is a good crowd of us round
here; everybody else who's not afraid of plane crashes 
and New York cab drivers is welcome. (I think, room and
board will not be a problem).

As for the technicalities, it depends on how many people
will be interested in the idea. If that number is big,
I think we could rent a restaurant. It will also be nice
if we can afford to invite our teachers from St.Petersburg,
at least some of them. (I don't think that's very realistic,
to be honest). But, it's worth trying. For example, we can 
set a special bank account, and everyone who's interested
would send a contribution. Required minimum will cover
the meal, and all the extras, if any, can be spent on 
teachers airfair (any reach men out there?)

Anyway, what do you think?

	- Victor

 Hello, everybody!
 Excuse me for my bad Endlish, but I'm only Russian student...
 Help me and yourself! I cannot explain my frends (i.e. 1994, 1995
and 1996), what do they write at this Home Page for. Also I can't
prove our direction (Elvira Vasil'evna, Vera Eduardovna etc.), why
The School MUST HAVE AN INTERNET'S CHANEL (is it a correct word?).
As I hope, it is important for all us, isn't it? So, narrate, 
please, where are the ways to the solving of these problems? Or,
maybe, nobody think that it is important?
 With my best regards, OP.  

Folks,

Enclosed please find a raw summary based on the current 30-list.
Dmitrij Tsuranoff has proposed to show this info in %-form. Sorry,
just plain numbers for now. In case you guys decide this sort of
info is important, it can be easily done. Moreover, it might be
a good idea to have such a snapshot as a part of 30-school pages.
I wrote some trivial program which can be used by Boris Kozintsev
to keep the summary up-to-date.

Enjoy :-)
 Sasha.

P.S. I can't guarantee the summary is absolutely precise;
     just trace 'profession' field thru the list and you'll see
     why.


--------------------------------------------------------------------
Year           Country                 Profession
      ------------------------------------------------------------
        RUS  USA  ISR  Other    Sci  Edu  Comp  Bsns  Other
------------------------------------------------------------------

1963    0    1    0    0        0    0    1     0     0  
1964    0    2    0    1        1    0    0     0     0  
1965    1    0    0    0        0    0    0     0     1  
1966    1    2    1    0        1    0    2     0     0  
1968    1    2    0    0        0    0    3     0     0  
1971    0    4    0    0        0    0    3     0     0  
1972    0    2    0    0        0    0    2     0     0  
1973    4    3    1    0        1    0    4     0     2  
1974    2    1    2    0        0    0    3     0     1  
1975    2    3    0    1        3    1    1     0     1  
1976    4    4    1    0        4    0    3     0     2  
1977    8    4    0    1        1    1    9     0     0  
1978    5    2    0    2        5    0    2     0     2  
1979    4    7    1    0        6    2    3     0     1  
1980    2    10   5    1        4    0    9     0     2  
1981    4    9    4    3        4    0    9     0     2  
1982    1    4    1    0        2    0    3     0     1  
1983    5    4    1    1        2    0    7     0     2  
1984    3    5    5    1        4    1    7     0     1  
1985    9    2    2    2        0    0    6     2     4  
1986    6    1    2    0        5    0    2     0     1  
1987    3    12   2    2        8    1    5     2     2  
1988    11   7    3    0        4    5    5     1     4  
1989    11   4    6    4        5    4    9     0     4  
1990    4    3    0    1        1    1    5     0     0  
1991    28   4    7    0        2    1    3     0     0  
1992    6    1    0    1        0    6    2     0     0  
1993    1    2    0    0        0    1    0     0     0  
1994    0    4    1    0        2    0    3     0     0  
Tot:   126  109  45   21       65   24   111   5     33 

Hello, All !
I guess it would be interesting to make a statistics:
  year
  percent of Russia residents/immigrated, % to Israel, USA, Others
  % profession Bussiness,Science,Computers,Other
Bye  

Hello, everyone!  I am troublemaker - as soon as I entered in #38
school, it was closed and I was graduated from #30, 1977 ...
I am really glad to find this page - it is not easy task to find
new friends in our age, especially in emigration - hope, somebody
will e-mail to me, BIG thank to creator of this page!  

Hi, All!

1. Many thanks to Boris Kozintsev (1989, 4) for this site and BBS.
2. Does anybody now Roma Pinkovskiy, 1985-5 (Israel) e-mail? Maybe somebody 
   could find him in Israel and advise Roma to put information here.
3. Publishing house Piter Press (where I am angaged as computer literature 
   editor) is interested in issuing good computer-related books in Russian 
   (programming, user's guides etc.) Any proposials (authors are usually 
   well-paid)?

Regards,
Konstantin Krain

Just want to say 'hello all'!

Hi, All!

I just created new 30tka-related URL: http://www.peterlink.ru/~bz
You all are welcome! Feel free to contact me and to say that it is bad
job - its just the 1st try. I'll update this information, so I ask 
all to check your information obtained 1st from caprina. Many
thanx to Boris Kozintsev!
In my plans are teacher pages, photos etc. Ideas welcome.

Yours, Bob Zaslavsky

Dimka (Pekker), I've tried to send you a message, but for some
myserious reason your address was not recognized as valid (@#$@$%@!!)
No wonder you don't get any messages!  Anywho, I gotta go, write me
back if you have time, my address works.

Lata....

Masha.

Hello from Cambridge.

I require to contact a teacher of English at school 30.
Preferably by E-MAIL.
Her name is Alla Sergeevna Abuhovich.
PLEASE HELP!

V.Afanasyev@bas.ac.uk

Hi to everybody! 
It's a good idea to link our teachers. Our old teachers are 
proud of us, and they are always happy to receive news and 
regards from thier former pupils. Those, who wish to send mail 
to Irina Jur'evna Bazenova, may contact me.

Best regards
Hetty.

Hi everyone!

Hope you don't mind me joining in. I graduated from School 38
in its last year of existence - next year it merged with
School 30 and moved to the vicinity of "Priboi". I could not find
a list of the 38, and I am not equipped to create/maintain one,
so I'm wondering if you would not mind having us on your list.

Sergey (a.k.a. Cepera)

I called Il'in on May 22 (his birthday, he is 45). He is OK. Sent best
regards to all alumni. Will try to peek on the list. Promised to send a
letter (to be posted) for all his former students. His phone, in case
someone will want to call is - 290-25-21.
 
Misha

Starik Kongruentich (AKA Michael Chepovetsky in the real 
life) looks for people who took part in his tournament in 
"leninskie Iskry" newspaper between 1978 and 1984. 
Would welcome reply at mgervits@phoenix.princeton.edu or 
chepm@omr.com.

St.Kongruentich

Dear friends!
I'd like to congratulate all of you with "the LAST SCHOOL BELL"
(s poslednim zvonkom), which was usually in May,25th of every year
according to our old kind tradition.
I'd like also to take this opportunity to invite you to my work-
place virtual travel(to Oranim college-near Haifa-Home Page):
URL:   http://www.oranim.macam98.ac.il/
Best regards to all of you from 30-ka's teachers(I'm getting
paper-letters).
Yours,
      Boris S. Medved (!977-1990,most of classes...)

Hi, everybody,
Many thanks to Boris for his initiative.
Our company will be expanding. If anybody wants to
participate in the Internet-related SW development 
and/or NLP implementations, please e-mail me.

Best regards

Hi!
It's a good IDEA! Thank's to Yury Stegaev.
I'm in SPb Computer-Center KEY.
Thank You,
Bye!

Hello everybody!

It is a wonderful idea! Unfortunately, I do not see any familiar name
on the list yet, but I can feel the "30-ka" spirit in the messages. 
I know that there are quite a few of us graduated in 1968 here in the
U.S.A. Hey, I would like to here from you.

And there is something else. Does anybody know anything about 
our teachers Vaneev and Verebeychik?

Good luck to everyone of you.

Emil Muchnik

Hey, Kids!

Was very happy to find this page. Great idea. Reminds me of the rowdy crazy days of the 30th school.

Anybody remembers me? Hell, I don't even remember myself that far back. But if by some amazing miracle you do, WRITE ME!
I'm right here in the beautiful red-neck city of Dallas, Texas. (Hey, at least it's not as bad as Fort Worth!) I barely have time to shave, but I will take every effort to reply to your e-mails. (Yeah, as if anyone will really write!)

Anyway......

Regards!
The one and only Father of Russian Democracy (according to infamos Evgeny Borisovich Galitsin)
DMITRI PEKKER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hello again!
Who knows about Sobolev Kirill, 1986, (1)5?
I heard he live in USA now.
Please send me any information about him.
Thank's,
Good bay!
  

Hello everybody!
I wounder to find this WWW-page. Thank's to Mr. B.Kozintsev.
Now I am a Hewlett-Packard Dealer in St. Petersburg, so if 
you need any promotions to buy HP you are welcome!
It is also interest to hear my year on this page.
Also i often leave St.Petersburg for Helsinki (3-4 times/mounth)
Can I help anybody there?
Thank you,
Good bay.  
 

Hi!
I would like to get in touch with those former students of
A.R.Maiselis who live and work in the US. If you are one of them,
I would appreciate if you contact me either by e-mail or
by calling (212) 357-3540 at work or (212) 980-6177 at home.

Thanks in advance,
yours,
Len.

Hey, Fellas!
This is a cool page!  In my opinion, it would even be better if
 teachers would also participate.  I 'd like to know how they are
 doing and I'm sure that alimni would like to know it too.  With 
understanding that their (teachers') access to the Internet might
be somewhat limited, I believe that an effort should be taken.
Maybe those alumni who have direct contact with teachers would
help in this matter.
Thanks a lot in advance,
Ilia Rosenberg

Hi!  I'm so excited that I found this server!  I just wanted to wish
everybody happy holidays and say 'hello'.  I live in Kentucky, U.S.
now and don't get to talk to my ex-classmates very much at all.  I'm
looking for 1990 graduates.  I'll be very happy to hear from you.	

So long!  Mariya :)

Dear Fellow Alumni!

Happy Pesach (Passover) to all of you who celebrates this great
holiday. I wish you all the best and "chag sameach ve kasher"!

Yours,
Sasha.

        Hi!
   I invite you to make your suggestions on developing 30-ka's
"Who is Who" book based on the information collected at this
moment. The data in it may concern following aspects of CV:
places, education, proffessional carrier, marriafe life etc.
Alone with just entertainment it should have some practical
worth by establishing a good name of the school worldwide (from
the professional level point of wiew, I mean) being a visit card
of present and further graduates.
   As well, on this occasion allow me to express my extreme
grattitude to the creator and manager of this page - Boris
Kozintsev - which did the thing the others only spoke about.
   With best regards, 
                            Benjamin

Hi everybody!

Sometimes caprina server is down. If this is the case you can 
still access these pages replacing the word caprina with the 
word otal at the address line, e.g.

          http://otal.umd.edu/~bkozints/30school.html

Boris.